I don’t know how you get that the people running La Raza do not speak English and don’t want to learn English, among other things. The website Jenn linked is in English. Ron, I’m certain they speak English.

In the past few years the extremists on the Right (the fascists) have been able to turn this debate into an assault on the character of illegal immigrants. It has become normal to speak of people, of human beings behaving just like like human beings do in such circumstances, as “illegals” “lawbreakers”, which quickly turns into “scum” and more. The word “illegals” used as a noun dehumanizes them.

It is, therefore, understandable that some react in ways like you describe (though most do not, by the way). When you offend someone and say it’s because you love America, it is no surprise that the people you offended will defend themselves by offending America. So you see them marching with Mexican flags in the streets of America. It says a lot of the nobility of the illegal immigrants that it’s not them carrying those Mexican flags. It is usually American citizens speaking for them.

If they cared about America they’d want to assimilate into American culture like generations of immigrants have done before them. They’d want to learn English. They want the laws to be enforced because it is in everyone’s best interest to live in a lawful society.

I’ll grant that there are illegals who want those things. But far to many just want a free ride and their actions demonstrate that fact. if they’re not careful they’ll turn this country into exactly what they fled. Where will they and we be then?

I don’t “blame” capitalism for illegal immigration. Capitalism, however, makes it happen. Illegal immigrations happens with the very active participation of the American entrepreneur and, more important, the American consumer. I agree with you that at this time a guest worker program is better than what we have now.

Jenn,

Like I said before, I try to stay away from ethnic politics (I’m against affirmative action and Bilingual Education), so I don’t know much about La Raza. But their website you link does say they help white and black people. I think they will help you get a home loan. You should try. Hopefully, they will live up to their name and will help you.

Ron,

If they’re like me, La Raza defends illegal immigrants in the US because they’re in the US, and because this is the country they care about. It almost sounds like you’re saying they should care more about another country.

I do not support any scheme of rounding up illegals to deport them. It is unfeasible and would cause far more problems than it would solve. Instead, I support policies that would lead to voluntary self deportation.

If we hit employers hard that hire illegals they’d stop doing it. Combine that with cutting off social services to illegals save for live saving care, there would be little incentive for coming here and a lot of incentive to leave if you’re here illegally.

As for La Raza, regardless of what meaning you assign to the name, the organization works diligently to undermine US law and to take advantage of US citizens. If La Raza really cared about hispanics they’d be doing their work in Mexico. But you never hear them complain about the coutry they have fled. Remember that Mexico, the country to complains long and loud about our immigraiton policy, has one of the toughest immigration policies in the western hemisphere! Try sneaking across the southern board and if you are caught you might be shot. If you aren’t shot you will certainly be imprisoned in conditions far worse than any American jail.

So lets stop this silliness about racism and fairness. If illegals got what was fair they WOULD be deported, all of them. They’ve become accustomed to being treated with kid gloves and so expect it should continue whether deserved or not. There is nothing fair about allowing millions of people to illegally enter this country.

Michelle’s is a fascist website. On the subject of illegal immigration, it exists solely to dehumanize individuals whom the American people (the entrepreneur, but more important the consumer) have taken in.

The word “Hispanic” predates American spelling. It predates America and Spanish-speakers trying to say “Spanish” in English. It comes from the Latin word “Hispania”, the Roman’s name for what today is Spain and Portugal.

Yes, “La Raza” is singular. In fact, there is no plural for it. Hispanics understand the word differently, because Hispanics are a mixture of races. No plural is needed, no one is excluded.

Moving on to your definition of “hispanic.” That’s an American spelling for the way many Spanish-speakers say the English word “Spanish.” And “La Raza” is singular, not plural.

Illegal immigrants, by the way, are not necessarily “hispanic.” They can come from anywhere. For example, there are a significant number of Middle-Easterners, some with terrorist ties, entering the U.S through the southern border right now, because it’s so easy.

While we’re discussing ethnic groups, let’s not forget “Americans”? You know, the legal, tax-paying ones from many different ethnic origins (including “hispanic,”) many of whom expect the government to protect them from an invasion.