David Camp Nancy Pelosi: Criminal and Civil Penalties for Not Buying PelosiCare
November 6, 2009 by Maggie M. Thornton
Filed under News and Opinion
If you plan not to buy a PelosiCare health insurance policy, no matter the mandates, then a criminal and civil trial may be in your future. It is possible for you to be tried in both courts and your penalty can be a hefty fine of up to $250,000 and up to 5 years imprisonment.
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David Camp
The date stamp is November 5, 2009 and is on the letterhead of Congress of the United States, Joint Committee on Taxation and is signed by Thomas A. Barthold. Read the entire pdf letter here, as well as Rep. Camp’s comments. The following are signifigant snippets:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
Among possible Civil penalties for not obeying Nancy Pelosi:
* An “accuracy” penalty of 20% of the underpayment attributable to the health care tax, based on negligence…
* A fraud penalty of 75% of the underpayment…
* A $5,000 penalty for taking a frivolous position on a tax return…
* A delinquency penalty of .5% of the unperpayment, each month, up to a max of 25% of the underpayment…
Among possible Criminal penalties for evading PelosiCare:
* A misdemeanor willful failure to pay – fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
*A felony willful evasion – fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to 5 years.
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Maggie, I think Pelosi would be surprised to find how many people are willing to go to jail rather than to pay for that.
Straight from the 11/07/2009 House Health Care bill:
Are there penalties for failure to provide insurance coverage?
Yes, or pay a penalty of 2.5 percent of your pay. Hardship and religious waivers would be available, and some very low-wage earners would be exempt. The requirement would begin in 2013.
If an Employer chooses not to provide any employee coverage the employer is subject to pay a penalty that is 8 percent of the employees pay.
Jenn, I am reading around the Internet that many will not be quiet about this. Now we have to pray that the Senate has the fortitude to stop it. My Senator (and yours) still says it is dead on arrival and Lieberman says he will filibuster if there is a public option.
Good info for us all..as a matter of fact, this takeover of our Federal government is not dissimilar to the takeover forces of the Federal government in the ‘civil war’ against the seceded Southern states.
As former Confederate President, Jefferson Davis, said: “The Principle for which we contended is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.” I personally believe that at this time in our history, once AGAIN, “….the cause of the South is the cause of us ALL”. (Alexander Stephens, former VP of the Confederacy). Something to consider…. LM (a Northerner, by the way)
Greetings,
Demonizing a requirement that everyone who can afford Healthcare pay into their Healthcare belies the facts that we as U.S. citizens face. Healthcare costs are on a runaway trajectory for the Regular “Joe & Jane,” Healthcare Companies can deny payment of your catastrophic medical cost’s for a “Hang nail” that you reported during a yearly checkup with the Doctor as an 18 years old.
Everyone reading my response owns a car, OR knows a number of people who do own cars, and in each and every case where a car is driven on a public roadway the driver of that car must be an insured driver. The policy REQUIRING AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE is around 20 years old now in my state and is simply accepted as standard operating procedure, and has contributed to overall public safety in a big way.
THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE – has reported that over 10 years the House plan reduces the deficit $129 billion dollars, and for the 10 years after that as well. Not only is it critical to to reduce the deficit, but is also critical to reduce the cost of delivering Health Care to you and I which is another key part of this bill.
After ALL of the cutting, trimming, tweaking, and revamping, in order to increase the national insurance pool and guarantee your coverage, then we are each going to have to chip in to make it work efficiently.
Zach, as someone who has been victimized by our current health care system, I’m not here to defend it. But if you’re truly and honestly thinking that a government takeover of the sytem is going to make it BETTER…?! You really need to walk through the halls of an inner-city public school or drive through a government housing project. Get ready for our hospitals and clinics to look just like that.
GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER, Government Takeover, Government Takeover…
This is NOT a Government Takeover. Reform = creating a different way to achieve the desired results. Calling this a “Government Takeover” is a tactic to frighten people. Just like in the Car Industry, I hear that Government has taken over the Domestic Automobile Industry, well that is no more true, than Government taking over Health Care. First, the Government doesn’t have the people it would take to do all of that, 2nd it is reform, not a Government Takeover.
You are required to buy automobile insurance because that protects everyone, lowers the cost of auto insurance, and increases dafety on the road.
Requiring everyone to own insurance does the same thing, that is a market principle as you know, the more pencils that are bought, the lower the cost because of “Economies of Scale.” That is what occurs with more people on the insurance roles the cost to insure drops for various reasons, (more money in the insurers hands, healthier outcomes, lowered costs to the Hospitals)
I don’t know if you have insurance now or not, but for the past 30 years, insurance companies have been placing more and more cost controls in place with the HMO, and PPO the most frustrating part of these changes. We hear this nonsense that a Government bureaucrat will be between you an your Doctor, please. There will be NO Government peple anywhere inside of the equation, the hospital, the Doctors office, OR on the phone will you. But, to address this argument presently the insurance company places their HMO between you and your Doctor and denies what you need to get done, lots of us don’t even get needed medical procedures because we cannot afford them, but mainly because they will be denied by the HMO.
If you have Medicare, OR Social Security you know they work extremely well and proficiently, the only part of this deal that the Government would be involved in materially is the Public Option, and it will operate just like Medicare.
This business about takeover is just a boogieman.
Call it anything you like, Zach. The end result will be the same, no matter what it’s called. If this legislation passes, anyone who expected an IMPROVEMENT in our medical system is going to be sadly disappointed.
Do you still work?
Mandatory health care is NOT the same as mandatory drivers’/auto insurance. Rush Limbaugh explained this this past week on his radio address….there you are insuring yourself against ANOTHER person’s (as well as your own) misdeed that results in an accident. AND you don’t HAVE to buy auto ins. if you don’t own a car…nor drive,for Pete’s sake!
LM
Medical care will diminish and people in the healthcare field will move to country’s that are hospitable to what Pelosi is making too expensive for them here and for us. They’ll go on strike against the United States and I don’t blame them! The Democrats will probably use a draft(like FDR did in WW11)and try to force the medical professionals to stay here. Who really knows what’s going on in Nancy Pelosi’s head?
Zach, you may see the requirement to have a driver’s license as “standard operating procedure,” that “standard operating procedure” has to mean something. In this case, it was intended to find a way to your door when you do something to hurt or endanger someone. Today it has morphed into an invasion of privacy by requiring fingerprints, and I really hate that. It should not be “sop.” My driving may hurt someone, my health will not (with a few exceptions). This is a way to control your last bastion of privacy – your relationship with your physician. That privacy has been dwindling away in the past few years, and with this legislation – your control over your life is over, AND the joke is on everyone wanting this insane “reform,” because it is far from free, far from efficient, and far from merciful.
I’m not defending insurance companies. I’m defending my right to make my decisions about my own health. This bill gives me no control.
I agree with everything you say there in principle except to say that your health can hurt others, the people who are cluttering up the Emergency rooms because they have no insurance is a dreadful burden to us all. If those people were in a public option the tax payer still pays but WE pay considerably less. PERSONALLY, I think everyone should pay what they can afford to pay, with everyone in the pool the risk goes DOWN making insurance more affordable. In reality the whole damn thing thing is ONE BIG POOL of money it’s just divided up under a heading like Aetna, The Hartford, AIG, John Hancock, Mutual Of Omaha, Prudential, etc., are just the names of the people standing between Yourself AND your treatment, they are who decide if your Gall Bladder is covered, OR if it is an existing condition or not, but so long as we are going to use a ridiculous for profit model as our system of Health Care.
One business model that works exceedingly well for medicine, particularly the Hospitals is to get rid of the FOR PROFIT thing with share holders etc., is the Foundation. I live here in Fort Worth and just across the county line in downtown Dallas is the Baylor University Medical Center NOT to be confused with the Baylor University Campus which is in Waco. But, the way it works is just like a for profit setup, because it IS making a profit it has to in order to survive, but it has much slimmer margins, because it’s primary goal is to serve its patient’s, where as say for instance Health South is profit motivated first with people taking enormous salaries into the millions of dollars to run it, AND the KEY is a Business Corporation operates quarter to quarter with another goal, To KEEP IT’S SHARE PRICE UP. The Foundation doesn’t know how to spell quarter, just a joke, but they are planning long term 10, 20, 30, years into the future and guess what Baylor University Medical Center is the biggest and best Hospital in Dallas and one of the top Hospitals in the Nation. I think people would be surprised at how many are setup like Baylor is. Look, I’m not trying to smoke anybody, Baylor is paying for top executives too, but for fewer dollars for fewer individuals.
In 5 years the cost TO YOUR BUSINESS that you either own, or drive to work to daily is going to pay DOUBLE what it is paying now, again in just 5 years. I hope to still be living don’t you as well…? We have to get the Health Care plan on the books there are a lot of very good changes in the way YOUR business, OR you are personally treated by Insurer’s with this bill. It doesn’t even go into effect until 2013 and this thing can be changed over time to make it work better. In 5 years I will not be able to afford my health care.
forgive me I didn’t finish a thought in the 1st paragraph..duh.