Is there no end to how out-of-touch with reality a Congressman can be? Apparently not. Click here to watch the video. (hat-tip, LGF) Click here, or on the image below to watch the CNN video.
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December 28, 2007 at 8:49 am
Pakistani Islamic Extremists kill Pakistani, Bhutto. Ron Paul blames the U.S..
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Ron Paul did not blame the U.S. or the American people.
He is saying we should understand how our foreign policy results in unintended consequences which come back and bite us and this is because we intervene in the internal affairs of other countries by either subsidising them, bombing them or invading and occupying their land. This almost always backfires on us and we suffer as a result: our nation is less safe, Americans are more likely to die and our soldiers get unnecessarily killed in these entangling alliances.
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Consider our intervention in Pakistan:
Musharraf gets rid of the democratic government of Pakistan in a coup and becomes dictator. We support the guy and give him 10 billion dollars in aid over 8 years because he’s now our partner in the War on Terror and he’ll get Osama bin Laden for us. But he allows bin Laden roam free in the border regions of Pakistan and actually allows him escape from Tora Bora when we had him surrounded and could have captured him.
So American taxpayers through U.S government foreign policy are subsidising a dictator who’s funding radical Islamic schools whose students make up the bulk of the Taleban who are now killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. Crazy or what!
Now we’re thinking of getting involved again because Bhutto has been assasinated — we should learn our lesson and stay out of their internal affairs.
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And what about Osama bin Laden:
We supported and funded Osama bin Laden in the war against the Soviets in the eighties and we also funded Islamic radicals in Pakistan who then metamorphosised into the Taleban. So bin Laden and the Taleban build up a radical following in Afghanistan, get rid of the Soviets with U.S weapons, and then turn their attention to the U.S because we have military bases in Islamic Holy Land in Saudi Arabia, we take sides in the Israeli/Palestine conflict and we’ve been applying sanctions against Iraq and bombing them for over 10 years resulting in the deaths of more than 1 million Iraqis, mostly children.
To compound the problem, we’ve gone into Iraq based on the lie that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and as a result, Al Qaeda has more supporters than ever and our boys are sitting ducks over there. We’re more threatened than we’ve ever been and the bitter irony is that bin Laden & pretty much all of the hijackers were Saudis but we support the Saudi regime because of oil and we continue to maintain bases in Saudi Arabia further fuelling the hatred against us. The Saudi regime itself is repressive, dictatorial, has a terrible human rights record and is funding radical muslims in other parts of the world. This is just plain crazy…
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And consider our interventions in Iran also:
The CIA organised a coup & overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1953 because among other things, he wanted to nationalise Iran’s oil and loosen the grip of British oil interests so that the Iran people could better benefit from their own oil.
So we remove the guy and he eventually gets killed, we install the Shah thereby creating a fundamentalist Islamic theocracy in an Islamic country where democracy was on the verge of flourishing.
So they hate us for meddling in their internal affairs, but we don’t stop there. We support the dictatorial Saddam regime in Iraq against Iran in a 10-year war in order to protect oil interests by giving Iraq weapons (including chemical & biological agents) which kills millions of Iranian people and further entrenches the Islamic fundamentalists in power in Iran.
And we still haven’t learnt our lesson because neo-cons talk about pre-emptively attacking Iran using nuclear weapons because they MIGHT have a nuclear weapons programme (they don’t) and they MIGHT attack us with it sometime in the future. The democratic Presidential contenders don’t rule this out and the Republican contenders (except Dr Paul), are even worse because they actively push this crazy policy.
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So Ron Paul makes sense:
Ron Paul’s supporters understand these issues and think he’s the only sane guy in the room. U.S foreign policy now and in the recent past has been radical, crazy, and full of unintended consequences (though my 10 year-old niece could probably have forseen the disasters that would follow).
Ron Paul is the sensible guy in all of this and his non-interventionist approach where we trade & talk to people (even those we don’t like) would actually make the U.S and the world a safer place, safeguard American interests, make it less likely that radicals take over in unstable countries and it would do a better job of promoting democracy abroad. We don’t need troops in Germany, Japan or South Korea and we certainly don’t need our boys getting killed in the Middle East or potentially Pakistan. They should all come home.
We lost 68,000 men in Vietnam before we accepted defeat and came home. But now we talk and trade with Vietnam and while they’ve still got a few problems, they are well on the way to being a peaceful westernised country — so by following a non-interventionist policy we achieved in peace what we couldn’t achieve in a pre-emptive war and the sacrifice of 68,000 young lives.
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RonPaulFan said, “Ron Paul did not blame the U.S. or the American people.”
Excuse me?! This is the type of comment made about dictatorships. The United States is not a dictatorship…it is a government of, by, and for “the people.” Our republican form of government DOES represent the majority of Americans. This criticizm was made by Ron Paul of the United States. It really is that simple, and it doesn’t take eleven paragraphs to explain.
And if you really and truly believe that the U.S. has the option to NOT become involved in world affairs, you simply have not been paying attention to the news, or to world history. We didn’t start this war, but if we’re smart, we’ll finish it before we lose our freedom, including the freedom to childishly rebel against “the government” (translation: “civilization”) as so many Ron Paul supporters have a tendency to do.
Yes Jenn, the United States is not [yet] a dictatorship and it [should] be a government of, by & for the people.
But look at the facts. The U.S government under George Bush has:
* gotten rid of Habeas Corpus through the Military Commissions Act;
* given himself powers to declare Martial Law under Presidential Decision Directive 51 bypassing Congress in the process;
* created TIA (now renamed under different programs) which records the purchases, internet activities and bank transactions of every single American;
* Forced the USA Patriot Acts I & II through Congress. PA-I gets guts the 1st, 3id, 4th & 5th Amendments of the U.S. constitution and PA-II reorganizes the entire Federal government under dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command without Congressional oversight. This by its very structure is the definition of dictatorship.
* abolished Posse Comitatus through the John Warner Defense Authorization Act which authorizes the U.S. Military to act against U.S. citizens.
* created an illegal Domestic Wiretapping Program authorizing the NSA to eavesdrop on everyone inside the USA without the court-approved warrants
* signing agreements under Security and Prosperity Partnership which would lead to a North American Union merging the USA, Canada & Mexico.
Is this the government you want representing you?
Opinion polls indicate that Bush has the lowest approval ratings of any President, EVER! Congress approval rating is also very low and when you add the fact that Bush’s 2004 re-election was based on extremely questionable circumstances to do with vote tampering then I would say the government we currently have is not of, by and for the people.
Ok, now you’re just talking crazy. Where do y’all come up with this stuff?!
Jenn,
Everything RonPaulFan stated is TRUE. You have a computer research it yourself. Ron Paul is trying to protect every Americans personal freedom.
Hi Jenn, everything i’ve said is true. I’ve produced all the links below for you to study. We have to take America back one person at a time:
Habeas Corpus removed: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/House_Democrats_introduce_bill_to_restore_0308.html
Military Commissions Act: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pdf
Presidential Decision Directive 51: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
Bush Martial Law power grab: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824
TIA - you are a suspect: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6D71630F937A25752C1A9649C8B63
TIA alive and well: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4648.shtml
Patriot Act: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2004/091004patriotact.htm
abolished Posse Comitatus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act#Recent_legislative_events
John Warner Defense Authorization Act: http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/
Spying on Americans without Court Warrants:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?_r=1&ex=1186632000&en=c0596fd66ccb8785&ei=5070&oref=slogin
North American Union merging the USA, Canada & Mexico: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3QAC2yJFdM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA&feature=related
RPF, I disagree with your basic premise, world view, and perspective on so many of these points, it would be difficult to know where to start. I do, however, appreciate and respect your willingness to rationally discuss these issues, and back up your points with research. So, kudos, for that.
Your very last point, about the NAU (also NAFTA) is one that we CAN find common ground on. One of my heroes is Phyllis Schlafly, and she has a very good resource page here. FHK also has a short list of good resources archived on our old FHK Wiki.
Jenn, you could start by telling me why my perspective is wrong but I certainly won’t push for a reply. And I do appreciate your comments.
I would say however that it’s worth examining the apparatus (mainstream media, neo-cons, military-industrial complex, e.t.c) that peddles the opposing perspective to mine, that is, we are facing a threat of terrorism & islamo-fascism so great & perilous that we have to sacrifice our liberties for security.
These groups are the ones benefitting from the sacrifices the American ppl are making: the Bush govt & neo-cons are pushing civil-liberty-destroying legislation that undermines the US constitution and criminalises innocent Americans; the neo-cons & others own military-contractor companies (Cheney->Haliburton, Bush.I->Carlyle, e.t.c) that benefit from no-bid contracts paid for by Iraqi oil; our innocent young men & women go over to Iraq to die in a war based on premiditated lies and ensure the military contractors get paid by protecting the oil fields; the mainstream media is owned by a conglomerate of various multi-national corporations that benefit from the status quo.
This is what Ron Paul describes as soft-fascism (not Hitler-type fascism) in the following clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvl_hQ80ZNQ
I’m a devoted Christian btw, but I don’t consider Ron Paul’s comments a slight on Huckabee. I also don’t consider Bush & most of the neo-cons that cultivate the Christian support as Christians. I may be wrong about them of course b’cos God is the ultimate judge of the heart but I’m certain based on good reasons that I’m not wrong.
Thnx for communicating.