Exposing “Truther” Lies 3

See Exposing “Truther” Lies and Exposing “Truther” Lies 2

     Here are yet more “truther” lies and/or misquotes, found here.

     Lie/misquote number 6 is that the Madrid and Caracas fires were longer, yet those buildings never collapsed (source).

 

     What the 911 “Truth” Movement neglects to mention is that those two buildings had a DIFFERENT design than the World Trade Center.  For one thing, neither one of those buildings were a “tube in a tube” design (reference).

     The REAL facts about the Madrid Windsor tower fire are here.

     Yes, said fire lasted for 26 hours.   However, what “truthers” don’t mention is that the first collapse occurred 2 ½ hours after the fire began.  As for why it did not collapse completely, that, of course, is because of the different design: The core and everything under the 17^th floor was reinforced concrete (source ). The picture at the top of the page here shows the aftermath of the fire: It’s the reinforced concrete core that you see in said picture- the steel is gone because, just as in the case of the Twin Towers, it weakened and collapsed at the start of the fire. (source).

     Conspiracy theorists have recently started using the Parque Central fire in Caracas as well, but that is also different because: 1) unlike WTC 7, the fires began on the upper floors ( the WTC 7 fires started on the lower floors, and 2) Unlike the Twin Towers, this building did NOT have a tube-in-a-tube design. The columns were also designed differently (source).

     Oh, and one other difference- the fire in Caracas was aggressively fought for a period of time, the WTC fires weren’t (reference).

 

     Lie/ misquote 7 is that the Twin Towers were designed to withstand more than one aircraft impact (reference).

            Fact # 1: NIST NEVER said the impact destroyed the towers.

            Fact # 2: In point of fact, the towers DID survive the impact. It was a COMBINATON of impact, fire, and lack of fireproofing that caused the collapse (source).

     Obviously, the impact damaged many perimeter columns, and while it is true that the impact cut the aircraft to pieces, the fact remains that the speed- or more accurately, velocity- of the aircraft cut through the steel rather easily (source).   Hint: It’s not the collision itself that causes damage- it’s the energy released in the collision.

     Furthermore, not all of the jet fuel was released in the fireball on impact. In point of fact, eyewitnesses reported the jet fuel created curtains of fire as it poured down from the impact area. The jet fuel merely got the fires going.  NIST NEVER said the jet fuel brought down the buildings (reference).

     This quote from here makes the point quite nicely: “It was never the NIST’s contention that the jet fuel brought down the buildings as conspiracy theorists suggest. Conspiracy theorists use this as a straw man. They say the jet fuel couldn’t have bowed the columns and sagged trusses. Just as lighter fluid doesn’t cook your meat in a barbeque, the jet fuel didn’t sag the trusses or bow the columns. You also can’t leave this important factor out either. Conspiracy theorists say the columns couldn’t have bowed and the trusses couldn’t have sagged because the jet fuel wasn’t hot enough and was used up within about 15 minutes of impact. That’s like saying your meat didn’t cook in your barbeque because the lighter fluid burns too quickly. All the jet fuel did was act as lighter fluid and intensify the fire for about 15 minutes.”    

            As usual, “truthers” insist on using cartoon physics.

Exposing “Truther” Lies 2

See Exposing “Truther” Lies.

Continuing from my previous article, here are some more lies told by “truthers,” found here.

Lie number four is that explosives were brought in during the power downs. However, as this site  points out, there are two problems with that: 1) it takes months to do a controlled demolition of much SMALLER buildings.  This link here  points out that the 2004 demolition of the DC convention center took months with large crews placing explosives on 500 or more columns- and said crews stuck out like a sore thumb.  In addition, the demolition of buildings 9 and 23 in Kodak Park in Rochester, New York involved a similar effort- and also involved the use of heavy equipment ( source).  This site  further points out that there’s no way anyone could pull that off without being noticed and there were people at the WTC 24/7.

The second problem is that there is no reliable source to confirm said power down ( reference).

The main source conspiracy theories use for their power-down theory is Scott Forbes ( source).

            Scott Forbes, however, worked in WTC 2, which is where the power down was- and it only occurred on the upper floors of ONE BUILDING.  Forbes is quoted as saying they  had regular fire drills but not an unusual number ( source). Hint: There’s nothing unusual- or suspicious- about fire drills. In addition, Forbes said he never even thought about WTC 1 ( reference).

            As we see here,  there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to place  explosives in THREE buildings during a 26-hour power down that only occurred on the upper floors of ONE building.

            Lie number 5 is that a fireman said there were only two small fires on the 78^th floor of the south tower ( source).

            This link  provides the following facts:  1) The 78^th floor was the lowest impact floor, 2) only a wingtip entered that floor, 3) The 78^th floor was a sky lobby, so there wasn’t a whole lot of stuff to burn, 4) the floors above the 78^th floor had a lot more combustible material.

            This site also points out that just because the fires on the 78^th floor were small just before the collapse doesn’t mean there weren’t larger fires earlier.  The fire is going to follow the fuel ( by fuel, I mean anything combustible) and fire does have a tendency to climb due to the following physical FACTS: 1) Fire is hot and, 2) Heat rises.

            Once again, we see that members of the 911 “Truth” Movement need to cut back on that special egg nog.

 

Exposing “Truther” lies

Here are some more “truther lies and some quick responses to them,  which can be found here.

Lie # 1: People in caves could not carry out the attack.

First of all, as this link points out,  that comment is rather racist.

Here are some more facts to counter that lie, found here: 1)  Bin Laden took civil engineering classes while the Twin Towers were being built, 2) Despite CT claims,  some of the hijackers did indeed have flying experience, 3)  those four airliners filled with sufficient jet fuel to get them from the East Coast to the West Coast were themselves flying bombs, and 4) Prior to 911, the standard operating procedure in response to hijackings was to cooperate due to the fact that before 9/11/01, a hijacking simply meant a detour.

As for the radar transponders, it’s not that difficult to evade the radar due to the fact that there are around 4000 commercial airliners in the air over the U.S. at any given time. Furthermore,  even WITH the transponders on, it’s still tough to locate the correct plane- after all, there was one plane on September 11, 2001 that had nothing to do with the attacks,  yet an intercept was planned for it ( source ).

This quote from here makes the point quite nicely: “It may have been easier to intercept an airliner with the transponder on but even that isn’t easy due to the amount of airliners in the air at the time. One airliner that didn’t have anything to do with the attack was thought to be a hijacking and people were planning an intercept. Can you imagine if that plane was brought down by accident? Conspiracy theorists want us to believe it’s easy to quickly find these flying “needles in the haystacks” when they can’t even find photos of iron workers cutting columns at an angle during cleanup. Not even when it’s on the same web site and they have all the time in the world to find it.”

Lie # 2:  It’s the first time in history a steel frame high-rise collapsed (source)

First of all, here are the facts, as evidenced by this quote from here: “There were a lot of firsts for the WTC. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner. For Building 7, in all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse. Not the Madrid/Windsor tower did not have almost 40 stories of load on its supports after being hit by another building which left a 20 story gash. The Madrid tower lost portions of its steel frame from the fire. Windsor’s central core was steel reinforced concrete. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been without some fire fighters fighting the fires.”

Second,  I addressed this point in a previous article. The steel buildings that collapsed due to fire are as follows: The Kader Toy Factory fire on 5/10/93, a textile factory in Egypt on 7/19/00, and the Enigma Business Park fire ( again, thanks to ScrewLooseChange  for bringing that one to my attention) on 11/1/06 ( source).

Lie # 3:  They collapsed into their own footprint ( reference).

These quotes from here tell the truth: “The floors of the towers fell straight down while the perimeter columns leaned out,” and “These buildings could not collapse any other way due to the design of the building. It was not a solid block.”

There are more lies which I will address in future articles, but clearly,  the “truthers” show an appalling lack of understanding of the laws of physics.